Really odd, but maybe not pathetic and disingenuous
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on August 30, 2010
Well, SharperIron (SI) made the mistake of drawing attention to my comments regarding the faux Faith defenders and caught some flack over it. I am not a member of SI, so I don’t have commenting rights. I can read it though, so I poked in over the weekend to see what was being said. Some exception has been taken to my description of certain responses to the Central-Faith situation as pathetic and disingenuous. I was reminded of the old preacher’s line about what happens when you throw a rock into a dark alley—the dog that barks is the one that got hit!
Really, though, was it too hard to understand my point? I don’t think I need to read minds to know that the guys most strongly criticizing Kevin Bauder and Central regarding separation clearly don’t know much about Faith. As Kevin noted, George Dollar counted Faith among the Moderate Fundamentalists back in the day. I wonder if Kevin’s critics were favorable to Faith maintaining its relationship with GARBC all the way up to and through the abolition of the approval system? Or if they considered holding a seat on the GARBC’s Council of 18 a good thing? I could go on, but I think that’s enough to confirm my point. That point was simply, “it is evident that they know nothing about that institution beyond a few quotes they’ve plucked from publications.”
But, in the interest of fairness, there is an email bag button to the right and if anyone that feels I’ve misrepresented them would like to send me evidence that corrects me on this point, I’ll gladly and publicly declare the evidence of your past and present support of Faith. Shouldn’t be hard to do—just tell me when you took a group of prospective students to visit the campus or had a representative in to present it to your church. Or perhaps, send me a copy of a note you sent them encouraging their stand within the GARBC or thanked them for supplying speakers and leadership for the GARBC.
For the record, I won’t hold my breath while I wait.
There was one comment made that I did want to interact with a little because I think it shows how an argument can be twisted to one’s advantage. Here’s what was posted as a parody on what I had said:
Parody on Dr. Doran, rpittman wrote:
I can’t or won’t avoid noting that some of the defenses of the announcement about the Central-Faith merger not happening are amusing. I’m not going to link to any of the ones I have in mind because doing so would actually serve their self-serving purpose. I am pretty sure that the folks who are “crying” that the merger didn’t go through because of feigned concern that no merger might weaken the historic Fundamentalist separatist stand against KJVOism never gave a rip about separatism prior to this. I write this quite confidently because it is evident that they know nothing about historic Fundamentalism and KJVOism beyond a few quotes they’ve plucked from publications. The occasion of the potential merger simply served as an opportunity to take shots at KJVO believers who are defending miltant (sic) separatist Fundamentalism and the KJB. IOW, they were using the merger to score their own points. Pathetic and disingenous.
DISCLAIMER
This is simply a parody of Dr. Doran’s post on his blog to illustrate the nature of his language and charges. It does not need to be refuted because it was written as parody, not argument.
About this I would say simply two things: (1) it would only stand as an analogy if it were true that the people addressed had previously shown no interest or support of the two institutions, and if that were so then I’d have no problem with it being published; and (2) there is, I think, a logical problem with it since it replaces a specific school with a movement and doctrinal position—suggesting that someone doesn’t know anything about a specific school is much different than suggesting they know nothing about Fundamentalism and KJVOism.
My larger point was and is aimed at the kind of convenient “alliances” which are formed not out of mutual agreement, but from opportunism. As I said above, I am prepared to be corrected, but I think some of Kevin’s critics have also been critical of the position which Faith has always maintained (but they didn’t know that Faith maintained that position because they really don’t care about Faith).
Odds and Ends, and Really Odds
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on August 27, 2010
The whole Tiger Woods saga of the past nine months is not worth noting, but, now as his marriage ends, his former wife, Elin, says something that is worth repeating. According to ABC news, “While she admits the money will make things easier, she told People: ‘Money can’t buy happiness. Or put my family back together.’”
This car crash is stunning and scary!
Others have, quite rightly, noted the doubly foolish move by Karl Giberson to publish his peevish response to Al Mohler’s Ligonier message in the Huffington Post. I say doubly foolish because not only use of that forum devoid of biblical sense, the article itself reveals the folly which flows from a diminished view of biblical authority. Al Mohler’s response is worth reading.
I can’t won’t avoid noting that some of the responses to the announcement about the Central-Faith merger not happening are amusing. I’m not going to link to any of the ones I have in mind because doing so would actually serve their self-serving purpose. I am pretty sure that the folks who are “rejoicing” that the merger didn’t go through because of feigned concern that one of the institutions might weaken the other one’s separatist stand never gave a rip about that institution prior to this. I write this quite confidently because it is evident that they know nothing about that institution beyond a few quotes they’ve plucked from publications. The occasion of the potential merger simply served as an opportunity to take shots at one man under the banner of defending a fundamentalist institution. IOW, they were using the merger to score their own points. Pathetic and disingenous.
Junk in the Pulpit
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on August 19, 2010
Sometimes the oddest things get sent to my inbox, usually from someone who has been trolling the web looking for churches to send stuff to, I suppose. Well, the other day I get another email from a guy who’s got a particular burr in his backside. I usually just delete them and move on, but this one had a link to a Jack Hyles sermon called “The Treasure in the Field.” I scanned what Mr. Burr had to say and it prompted me to follow the link to the sermon itself. It was classic Hyles (and I don’t mean that as a compliment!).
I’d encourage you to give it a scan, particularly if you are interested in why many of us often speak so strongly against the kind of preaching that has been too often tolerated in our circles. There is no doubt that a critical spirit is a genuine danger to one’s spiritual health, but can anybody deny that substituting man’s ideas for God’s is any less dangerous? Seriously, some of us (I hope a growing number) find the common excuses for this kind of speech-giving unacceptable. You know, the ones that claim: (1) the speaker loves the Lord; (2) there was some truth in what he said; or, worst in my mind, (3) God really used it.
Do we really think that one’s love for the Lord entitles him to misrepresent the Lord? Wouldn’t one think that loving the Lord would mean that one genuinely cares about what the Lord actually said rather than treat the Bible like a launching pad for one’s speeches? Isn’t it time to stop using “good truth from the wrong text” argument as a justification for mishandling the Word? Preach the Word means preach what God said, not what we want to say, so we found a text that can be manipulated into a prooftext. Are we not flirting with the edges of neo-orthodoxy to claim that God spoke to us through something that He didn’t actually say? Seriously. Aren’t we getting something extra-revelatory that is located in the words of a human preacher that are not actually in the words of God?
The kind of preaching that Jack Hyles practiced and promoted has been devastating to biblical Christianity. It should never have been tolerated by people who genuinely love God and His Word. The fact that it was (and still is in some quarters) shows that pragmatism was more influential than theological conviction. To talk about taking a stand for God’s Word while tolerating preaching like this is just plain hypocrisy.
Emotional Eruptions
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on August 18, 2010
Thought provoking quote for the day from Paul Tripp (Lost in the Middle, p. 226):
Here is a principle that will help you understand what is happening: whenever the size of a person’s emotion is bigger than the size of the circumstance, it is an indication that the emotion is coming from somewhere else. People who are easily angered by little things have walked into those little things already irritated with life, and that is why it does not take much for them to explode. Remember, anger with life is always anger with the One who rules it.
I’d probably qualify this in some ways, but it seems to be mainly on target. And it seems to apply to more than just anger.
Ramadan, Football, and the Gipper
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on August 17, 2010
This article deals with an interesting mix of sports and religion from my backyard. Fordson High School is about 5 ½ miles from our church. Our school’s baseball team usually plays (and usually wins) a doubleheader each year against them. Huge football school. Baseball, not so much. Anyway, the larger point, for people unfamiliar with the demographics of this area, is that the potential conflict between Ramadan and football practices would even be an issue.
I don’t blog too much about politics, but I have a soft spot for Ronald Reagan, so here’s a video clip that contrasts one of his famous speeches with the words of some of today’s politicians. The first time I heard Ronald Reagan speak was at Bob Jones University during the campaign of 1980. Makes me long for the good old days!
From Africa to Camp
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on August 10, 2010
My sons and I returned from Africa last Saturday. What an excellent visit we had with missionaries in Kenya and Tanzania. I had the privilege of preaching in three services for churches that have been started in the Tanzania–challenged them from Philippians 1:5 on being partners in the Gospel. I am continually amazed at what God has done in these past 10 years. I’ve had the privilege of watching it closely from the ground up and this trip was special due some changes that are imminent. I am so thankful to God that I was able to bring my two youngest with me. It took a long time to save and prepare to do it, but well worth the investment in their lives.
We did an overnight in Amsterdam on the way home and that city really put an ache in my heart–it seems as if the place has sold itself fully into the pursuit of vice. How sad. May God raise up men with a passion to preach the Gospel in places like this too!
It wasn’t my first choice, but the only time we could squeeze the East Africa trip into the calendar was right before our church’s family camp, so on the Monday after we returned we headed off for a few days away with a load of our church family. This week always provides wonderful opportunities to fellowship and I usually preach the morning sessions. This year, however, I am doing the evening sessions and the three other pastors are each doing a morning chapel. It’s going to take me a month to catch up on life when I finally get back to normal (if there is such a thing!), but it is worth it.
Well, that’s to let you know what’s going on and that I didn’t get eaten by lions (although I did see some). Till later!
Back in East Africa Again
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on July 28, 2010
Visiting Kenya and Tanzania again, and got to bring my youngest two sons, Dillon and Derek, with me. Got here last night and spent the day running around Nairobi with Joel Weaver and Dan Olinger (here with a summer ministry team).
Love seeing what God is doing here through these faithful servants. Another family from our church, the Huffstutlers leave this coming weekend to join the team in Kenya. By God’s grace, the door is opening for a much needed work on the south side of Nairobi for planting churches and training pastors and church planters. Exciting to watch!
Will try to drop by again, but internet time is rare here.
Closing the barn door a little late…
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on July 26, 2010
Terry Mattingly has an article on something that happened when the Presbyterians got together recently. They got an unexpected exhortation from what seems like an unlikely source.
“Christian morality is as old as Christianity itself. It doesn’t need to be invented now. Those attempts to invent new morality look for me like attempts to invent a new religion — a sort of modern paganism,” said Hardun, drawing scattered applause.
“When people say that they are led and guided by the Holy Spirit to do it, I wonder if it is the same Holy Spirit that inspired the Bible, if it is the same Holy Spirit that inspires the Holy Orthodox Church not to change anything in Christian doctrine and moral standards. But if it is the same Spirit, I wonder … if there are different spirits acting in different denominations and inspiring them to develop in different directions and to create different theologies and different morals?”
He really doesn’t need to wonder about it—Paul warned the Corinthians about this in 2 Corinthians 11!
I’ve said this before, but I think it bears repeating. These fights over moral issues are much less the positive sign than some (perhaps many) seem to think they are. When a church that abandoned orthodoxy decades ago is fitting about moral issues, that fight is more about preserving a culture than biblical authority. That means it’s more about selfish preservation than it is about honoring and obeying God’s Word. What else can it mean when you’re willing to give up on the deity of Christ but will fight about the definition of marriage?
Sure, it serves as a cautionary tale regarding the outcome of doctrinal decline, so if it motivates folks to take a stand at the beginning of the debate, good. But let’s not forget that this battle was lost decades ago, and it really was lost by those who refused to do what was necessary to remove from the church those who were denying the fundamentals of the Faith.
Global Goring
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on July 19, 2010
Though it brings many benefits, there are often times that I wish Al Gore had never invented the internet! I had a few mind-wandering minutes the other day and found myself thinking about how the internet makes it possible, for better or worse, for voices that would seldom be heard beyond their own four walls to be heard hither and yon. As I said, some, perhaps even most, of this is for the better. I find myself, however, at times, marveling at the cast of characters that bluster and bark across Al’s invention. With tongue firmly planted in cheek, here’s my take on them.
Mr. Vuvu Zelou bears a striking resemblance to the horns which annoyed us during the World Cup games. Same overbearing sound again and again and again. Like an organist who knows one song and plays it for every offertory. He’s got a handful of quotes that he thinks seal the deal and he’s sticking with them. In fact, he thinks he’s so good that he toots his horn to himself even when no one else is listening.
Officer Grumpke patrols the internet looking for hooligans who are in the wrong part of town or look like they might be disturbing the peace. He’s a nice guy, but doesn’t like the changes these new kids are bringing to the neighborhood. Since he can’t technically keep them out of the neighborhood, he’ll write them up for as many traffic violations as he can in order to make life difficult for them.
Mr. E. Whisperer doesn’t really come up with anything himself, but he knows how to use email effectively to pass along things that he thinks “might be of interest” to other people. This saves him from doing any real work on the matter and also provides a nice opportunity to append little notes that share what he’s heard from others about the matter. Just imagine what Sanballat could have gotten done with email—“It is reported among the nations, and Gashmu says…” (Neh 6:6)!
Mr. Huck Stir has discovered the power of internet controversy as a marketing tool for his publications. He’s taken guerilla marketing to whole new (lower) levels. Sure he’s gotten kicked off of more blog sites than one can count, but that’s the price of defending the truth (and it costs a lot less than advertising!).
Have you seen any of these guys online? Maybe there are some others I’ve missed. Send me an email about them and maybe I’ll add them to the list.
Late addition (that I forgot): Mr. Phil D. Burr is spurred on in his writing by a mental sliver or two that regularly gets rubbed the wrong way. He has an incredible knack for talking about any event or idea and squeezing a blog post out about that thing that is lodged under his skin. There really doesn’t need to be a clear path from A to B. If B is visible on the horizon (and sometimes even when its not), Mr. Burr will cut a trail toward it.
Dr. William R. Rice, September 23, 1920 – July 8, 2010
Posted by DMD in Uncategorized on July 12, 2010
This last Thursday, Dr. William R. Rice, my predecessor here at Inter-City and the founder of Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary went to be with the Lord. Dr. Rice wasn’t just the pastor who served here before me, he was my pastor from the time I was 8 years old. Outside of four years while I served on pastoral staff at another church, he was my pastor from the time of my conversion until I came to serve with him for several months as co-pastor, then pastor after his retirement on September 10, 1989.
He was an incredible man full of faith and zeal for the Lord’s glory. He graduated from Bob Jones College when it was in Cleveland, Tennessee, then completed his Master of Divinity, Master of Theology, and Doctor of Theology degrees at Grace Theological Seminary in Winona Lake. In the mid to late forties he was diagnosed with cancer and given only months to live. God preserved his life and he came to pastor the First Baptist Church of Melvindale in 1949. That small church began to grow rapidly, which led to a merger with the First Baptist Church of Allen Park and the renaming of the congregation as Inter-City Baptist Church sixty years ago in July of 1950.
This community was expanding and the church experienced incredible growth along with it. Between 1950 and 1964 the church engaged in multiple building projects until we settled in our current building. Dr. and Mrs. Rice always had a real burden for education, so the current church building was constructed so as to provide the option of starting a school. In 1966, the school was started as one of the first Christian schools in the state of Michigan. Ten years later, Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary was established. In between those two, the church, following Dr. Rice’s leadership, started the Inter-City Christian Bookstore and the Inter-City Christian Manor (a retirement facility).
For years I reacted very negatively to the stereotypes of fundamentalists that I would so often hear, and the reason for my reaction was that I grew up under something very different than what I was hearing about. My pastor had an earned (not honorary) doctorate in New Testament. He preached the Bible expositionally. He thought theology was important and taught it clearly to the congregation. He stood very firmly against the ecclesiastical compromises of the mid-20th century, yet I never recall him name-calling or ever speaking derogatorily of men from the pulpit. I am so thankful I grew up in a church where separation was practiced over real issues, not the trumped up ones of the last few decades.
There never was any debate around here about the KJV—it was great translation, but only that. Our bookstore, from its inception, sold other translations. Dr. Rice regularly cited other translations. We’ve had professors who have used other translations in their seminary classes from day one.
It wasn’t until I went off to college that I even knew that anybody thought there was something wrong with women wearing pants. I’d never even heard of men like Jack Hyles or Bill Gothard. I was shocked to find out that people thought the Bible prohibited inter-racial marriage (obviously, I knew people who opposed it out of prejudice, but none who defended it biblically).
I could go on, but won’t. My point is not to denigrate others, but to rejoice that God gave me the opportunity to have a man like Dr. Rice as my pastor for almost twenty of the forty years he served this church. Even more, I am so thankful that I was given the privilege of following a pastor like Dr. Rice. He spent forty years grounding a congregation in the Word and building a foundation that was rock solid. He wasn’t perfect—no pastor ever is. But he loved the Lord more than himself, and he loved this church more than his own life. There were a lot of pastors from his generation who built everything around themselves and once they were gone it all started to fade or fall apart. Dr. Rice built this church on the Word and focused everybody’s attention on Jesus Christ, not himself.
There is no doubt that he was a strong leader, but always for the good of the congregation. He took his God-given responsibility seriously and poured his life into the work. I’ll never forget, though, the moment on September 10, 1989 when he stood in front of the congregation that he had served for 40 years and said, “Moses is dead. Long live Joshua.” He had watched too many men stick around too long and cause trouble for the pastor that followed them. He was not going to do that. He loved the church too much. In the 21 years since that day, Dr. Rice was never anything but an encouragement and help to this church and its new pastor. Better men than I have had their ministries severely hurt by their predecessors, but God allowed me to follow a man who truly believed that the Lord and His church was more important than his ego and legacy.
I am thankful today that my life was blessed by God through this great man. I stand on his shoulders. I am glad that my pastor has gone to be with the Great Shepherd of the sheep that he loved and served so well.